A pigeon HATER...

This morning I get a disturbing wake up. The management 'and' a tennant. this tennant has seen them coming in. She's claiming that she left a inspection notice under my door yesterday. I never seen it, but now their demanding to get in.

This tennant was getting right forceful, they didn't get all the way in but they got me to admit that Freeda comes in to eat. I'm trying to explain my situation, the fact that someone else is letting them nest and raise their young.

They left with, your letting pigeons come in your suite which is a evictable offence. So now, it's not just feeding them I can't let Freeda and Blackie in to eat anymore.

I called her saying I didn't know letting pigeons in was a evictable offence. What does it mean when they say now, we won't evict you, or warn me in writing, but stop feeding the pigeons?

One miserable pigeon hater is dictating?

I'm really sorry about your situation.
Unfortunately some communal buildings have rules that they impose on tenants, and they can evict those that don't follow the rules. It doesn't seem as though you've got any choice.
You must be very upset at not being able to feed your feathered friends, or even let them in.

If it were me, I'd put some food on the balcony at night (in such a way as nobody will see you do it) for the pidgies to find in the morning. The cold weather will be arriving soon enough, and that could be a good help to them, but you'll need to be discreet, and to never be on the balcony when they land there. That way you can say, and quite truthfully, that you don't let them in and don't even know if they are in the area or not.

I'm really sorry it seems to be another victory for the pigeon haters. Our member Priya is having exactly the same problem, half a world away, in India. She tried to fight back and they cut off her water and electricity!

I'm so sorry to hear what has transpired, Grant.
Just my opinion . . . You may have to let the management in, but I wouldn't think the tenent has any right to come into your place, unless invited. That's how it works down here anyway.

Geez, you'd think your neighbor would have better things to do.

I agree with Teresa. If there is any way of putting a few seeds out at night, for the 'early' birds, and make yourself scarce, that would be best.

I hope your neighbor is happy and will now go mind their own business.

Please keep us posted.

Teresa wrote:

Our member Priya is having exactly the same problem, half a world away, in India.
She tried to fight back and they cut off her water and electricity!

I didn't know that happened to Priya. I'm so sorry.
I hope she was able to work things out.

She went door-to-door until she found a nearby one-family building where the owners said she could go and feed the pigeons. Still not perfect, as that place can be seen from the windows of her trouble-making neighbours, but top marks for resourcefulness!

This is turning out to be a blessing in disguise, I was already thinking of winter and how that was going to affect the bird. Coming into a warm place for 15min and then back out to possibly 40 below. It's probably better this way. Now if Papa will let her eat in the morning.

Speaking of which, Papa did dump Ma and take up with a young wild one. Looks like more eggs soon. Mama didn't put up a fight, and I haven't seen her for 4days, if this is what's actually happening, my days of feeding pigeons period, is on the way. Mama has been eating here since i first started in Jan11, and now has been dumped on, poop on, and scared away by Pa.

As soon as I see eggs, in comes everything. Pa bird has to go.

Is Pa bringing his new mate to your balcony then? Perhaps the best way to ensure that they don't mate there is to ensure that there are no nesting materials available, the box being the first to go, if it's still there.

What about Freeda, have you seen her lately?

This is Freeda's first day eating with the siblings, I put too much rice out last night, I just saw Freeda and the twins come and go just now. Papa has relaxed, he's not chasing anybody away today. Don't know if they'll get use to morning feeding, seems they like to eat in the afternoon.

I would think this homewrecker is prego already. How long from conception again? 2wks? If Miss Wild One is going to have eggs I'd rather it be here. Then I'll take the nest in.

I'm glad Pa has settled down.
Does he show any interest in Ma at all? Sometimes they will take on two mates.

When Freeda showed up he wasn't letting her eat, as usual except she can't come in anymore. I stood guard for awhile keepin Pa back so she could eat.

I was right, Pa didn't waste no time, I just had to literally lift the box to get "Pa" out, not Miss Wild One. Pa never sat the last time, he's quite the character.

I got the eggs today tomorrow the nest comes in. My next door neighbour put a large stand-up owl on his balcony right as close as he could to the nest. I talked to him, I thought he was cool. F**k I'm surrounded by the creeps.

When i was going to go out to get the eggs who was here except Ma. There was food there but she wasn't eating it. She just up and flew away like around the building and gone. When I found out it was Pa on the eggs, something is definately a-miss. Ma knew that was Pa in the nest, like how did she feel? Illegitimate squab, never helped me! Too much.

The pigeons may seem cautious of the owl at first, but will soon get used to it.

Are these eggs from Ma, or the new mate, that Pa is sitting on?

Those eggs are from The Wild One, this bird isn't the first one I seen Pa with or courting, there was another he was courting right after I took Ma's eggs.

All is done now, I just brought in the nest and scraped all the poo off the balcony, I'm watching now for Freeda, Blackie and the twins, Speck and Spot to show up and I might feed them now or wait until morning. Hopefully Pa has let his grip go.

Just a short update, sure enough there was some more young birds around, then looking out Freeda is letting two of them eat. A black one and a brown one, Freeda's kids! This is not good, now I'm trying to shoo the young ones, I think I'm too late to abandon Freeda , Speck, Spot and Pa. Freeda for sure has never had to look for food.

No Ma anymore, Pa is all beat up, I think maybe he tryed to get her back and her new guy hung a lickin on him. He only has one girly in tow now, he lost his pad, but he can still feed them. I have no idea why Ma don't feed here anymore, If I did stop feeding them I guess they'll survive, Ma did.

These people who are letting these birds nest is making my life tense. I still don't know where that is. Like how far do Pigeons travel for food? There's other highrises but not close.
More and more all the time is only going to bring the traps back out.

Good news is that they're not going to evict me, no recent alarms. Like after all, I'm only feeding the birds.

Hi Grant,

Thanks for letting us know how things are going on your balcony!

Ma must have a new nest elsewhere. If she's got a new mate, she's sure to have moved to his territory. Usually, during egg-sitting time, the female takes the morning turn in the nest, and the male sits in the afternoon. So, if she's going to turn up at all, most likely it will be during the afternoon or early evening.

As for Pa being all beat up, maybe he didn't get a licking from his rival... At this time of the year they change all their feathers, getting ready for winter. Some birds change them gradually and we barely notice it, except for more feathers than usual on the balcony. But others go through a 'rough molt', meaning that they change most of their feathers in one go, and for a couple of weeks, as the new feathers are coming out, looking like drinking straws at first, they can look a mess!

This is my George, going through a rough molt, and then his usual self! Big difference, eh!



It's a worry that pigeons are still nesting in your building, considering some people want them out of there enough to want to trap them. Maybe they are on the balcony of an empty flat. Maybe from the street you could see which balcony the nest is in, and if it is occupied, warn the people there about the bad will of some neighbours and the managers, and advise them to play it down or to remove the nests when there are no babies there.

Please don't be overoptimistic about 'only feeding the birds'. People can still get pretty nasty about that if they hate having pigeons nearby. Please be discreet, I would hate to see you get into trouble, and your pigeons too.

Very good, thank you. That is what his head looks like too. So much for speculation.

Yeah, some people are sad. Freeda had her young here again. Freeda has got to come by herself or none of the others get fed. Too much help is turning out wrong.

NO LANDLORDS CAN EVICT U FOR PETS THATS OFFENCE. Pigeons are a PET. Register your rights to own a pigeon by joining a local bird communitee. Or find one online. Apply and u will be allowed to own pigeons. its easy> i need to do it too. I been neglecting. If u want a website i can dish one out just ask.

farmerjoecoledge wrote:

This morning I get a disturbing wake up. The management 'and' a tennant. this tennant has seen them coming in. She's claiming that she left a inspection notice under my door yesterday. I never seen it, but now their demanding to get in.

This tennant was getting right forceful, they didn't get all the way in but they got me to admit that Freeda comes in to eat. I'm trying to explain my situation, the fact that someone else is letting them nest and raise their young.

They left with, your letting pigeons come in your suite which is a evictable offence. So now, it's not just feeding them I can't let Freeda and Blackie in to eat anymore.

I called her saying I didn't know letting pigeons in was a evictable offence. What does it mean when they say now, we won't evict you, or warn me in writing, but stop feeding the pigeons?

One miserable pigeon hater is dictating?

It all depends on the terms of the lease. If the contract says 'no pets allowed' then you have to stick to that or face eviction. The same can apply to condominiums.

Well. That's a different story that's a contract you know? and there is also ways around that too. I know its a lease . Some places require no pets. But realisticly that is just paper work. them saying u can't. By law you are allowed. The landlord cud try to take u to court over it, and will fight u , whatever they can to get u evicted. But really its not like they can send a swat in after u, or evict u withen hours. All this takes much time. Don't give up there is always a way around things. ....always

Teresa wrote:

It all depends on the terms of the lease. If the contract says 'no pets allowed' then you have to stick to that or face eviction. The same can apply to condominiums.

SplizzlahSavage wrote:

NO LANDLORDS CAN EVICT U FOR PETS THATS OFFENCE

SplizzlahSavage wrote:

Some places require no pets. But realisticly that is just paperwork. them saying u can't.
By law you are allowed.

Just curious, where are you getting your information from?

Britain must have changed a lot in the last few years, because when I lived there contracts were binding. Some people took chances and ended up having to give away their pets.

Even if the situation is as lax as that at the moment, it is not good form to be advising members on a public forum to break the law -- please read the forum rules!

Our country is a free country tho. We act on rights, right away. Even if we have little to give for the people who claim rights. Our country will still toss whatever they can for the peoples rights we are a free country , and freedom requires everyones rights to be equal. I will admit there is a lot about the law i dont know about. But I do know as a humanity we must have the law. We require the law as well.

And as for pigeons. I feel they should be free as well. as any animal in the world. we should learn to adapt to them, and we can start making this place of earth all beautiful and clean once again like it use to be, all spring water to drink, Rivers flow . I would love to live a life off the land I really would. We all gotta do what we gotta do to survive. Same as Pigeons and any other animal. Yoooo

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