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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:30 am

He does look better. Great job. cheers
I would remove the thready thing underneath his feet though. He could get them srapped around his feet and freak out, causing him to hurt himself. An old cloth or towel underneath him would be good. Just not one with any strings.
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:03 am

Sure Charis, will do that :Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:02 pm

Appreciate the update and photo, Dev.
Your little rescue is looking good.
You're doing an aweson job of caring for him. Pigeon angel

Bless you both.


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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:12 am

Hey guys,

Just to update you all. Bird is continuing to be good, though not much of progress. Continuing with Enrofloxacin. Will keep you guys posted.
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:24 am

Thanks Dev. How is the birds' neck...still twisty? Is she standing better ?
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:42 pm

He's awfully cute. Glad he's at least somewhat better.
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:36 pm

Appreciate the update, Dev. Smile
I'm glad to hear that the little one is holding his own.

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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:26 pm

Thank you for caring for this bird, Dev (and a thank you to Priya too, of course!). Pigeon angel Pigeon angel

I can totally empathise with the worry, the doubts and the difficulty in discovering what the cause of the neck twisting is.
My rescue Sammy (initially called Rambo) was very listless at first, unable to fly and with her head tilted to one side, before starting to twist her neck and fall over. I took her to the vet, but the vet couldn't decide between PMV and head trauma -- she thought it might be both. And as we found out later, it could also be a number of other things, so I went through some of the stages you're going through now, to eliminate other possible causes and also to fight any protozoal or secondary bacterial infections.

So what was it? I'd have to say I'm still not sure. She had hit something, she had the cracked beak to prove it; another bird I caught at about the same time died of a widespread virus infection and a worm infestation (maybe hairworms) to internal organs. So it could have been head trauma+PMV+worms. She needed handfeeding for 7 months! But she's big and strong now, leading a perfectly normal life, although she can't be released: she can't fly (except for a foot or two, in spirals) and I have to be very careful that she doesn't drown in her drinking or bath water. She still twists her neck sometimes, but don't let that fool you -- she can straighten up in seconds and peck your hand off!!

Whatever the cause is, weak chamomile tea will calm her down a little and help with the seizures, and Plamen also recommended some homeopathic meds that worked well for his birds. You can see the whole drama played out from page 9 of this thread: http://www.pigeonangels.com/pigeon-and-dove-illness-and-injury-discussion-forum-f21/no-rest-for-the-wicked-t506-120.htm and I hope the pics, videos and the advice I got then will be of help to you too.

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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:41 pm

Actually...Teresa you jogged my memory...worms very well could be an underlying cause, if not the cause, as the larva can migrate to the brain and cause neurlogical symptoms.
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:02 pm

@Charis: Yeah he frequently twists his head Very sad but the improvement is that, he has now got some strength to turn around and preen himself completely. He keeps doing this all the time. He opens his wings and tries to flap for few mins. And yes, he tries to scare me by pecking and making sounds. I can feel that he has got some strength in his body since the time he came to me.

@NiteOwl: Yeah, the first day when Priya found him, we both were so worried that he would not even make it till that morning. We both were praying that atleast let this poor bad have some peaceful last minutes. But things changed Smile

@Cindy: Thanks to all of you for supporting us.

@Teresa: Thanks a lot for sharing this info. Even this bird has got similar symptoms, head tilted to one side, head twisting & unable to fly. We are not blessed to have any good avian vets here Very sad I am feeding this bird Enrofloxacin once a day and also little yogurt. Priya saw this bird falling from her apartment at around 2 AM, there was no external injury. I somehow feel there cannot be chances for any bone breakage, because the bird is able to turn around and preen itself completely without any problems. But after he preens, he keeps his head tilted on one side. Often his head gets twisted Very sad Even we are not yet successful in diagnosing whether this PMV or any other problem. I am keeping him warm, in a padded box, hydrated, hand feed and in a quiet place. I will read through plamen's experience too Smile



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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:08 pm

Dev...do you have wormer?
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:14 pm

Charis, yes, I am right now at office so not 100% sure about this, but I remember having Ivermectin. I will check that out as soon as i get home.
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:35 pm

Can't hurt.
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:50 am

Charis,

Just checked at home and I do have "Ivomec" & "Moxidectin" with me. Which one should we use and what is the dosage?

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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:27 am

The instructions I have for moxidectin from the Australian Pigeon Company are 0.25 ml per 400 grams.
If it is the ivermectin I sent you, the instructions would be 2 drops.

Either would be OK to use and you need to repeat after 10 days.

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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:20 am

Charis,

So, I use either moxidectin / ivermectin only once today and then repeat it after 10 days?
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:40 am

Yes...one time treatment and repeat in 10 days.
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:05 pm

Sending healing thoughts and best wishes to your patient.
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:30 pm

I hope all is going well, Dev. My best to you both. Circle of Love

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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:44 am

Charis, I have given moxidectin today. Will repeat it on 12th July.

Thanks Cindy and Teresa Smile I am sure this bird will recover soon with all your prayers Smile


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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:12 am

Thank you for letting us know. Hi there/Bye
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:20 pm

Please let us know how it goes after the worming. If there were any worms. Good luck.
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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:27 pm

spdevanand wrote:
Charis, I have given moxidectin today. Will repeat it on 12th July.

Thanks Cindy and Teresa Smile I am sure this bird will recover soon with all your prayers Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:11 am

Hey Guys,

Just an update. Bird is continuing to be same. He still keeps head tilted to the side, rarely gets convulsion too. Today is the 11th day of Enrofloxacin to this bird. How many more days should we continue this?

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PostSubject: Re: Rescued another pigeon, perhaps with PMV :(   Sun Jul 04, 2010 8:34 am

Dev...I would stop the enrofloxin. The ususal treatment time is 10 days.
Can the bird eat on his own now?
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