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PostSubject: Re: Rudi's Story - severe string injury   Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 Icon_minitimeSun Sep 19, 2010 7:58 pm

Thanks for posting about Rudi, Petra!

He's a brave pigeon, and you've done wonders with him! Way To Go
I found it very interesting to read about what you used and how, as my methods are quite different, and it's great to find out as much as possible, so we can use whichever method will be best for a particular bird, or best suited to the meds etc that are available to us.
I always have hydrogen peroxide in the house to staunch bleeding, as well as for disinfection, but it's great to hear that baking soda and flour also work! Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 142829

I thought I could see a bit of nylon thread on his left foot in the photos, but that must have been a loose bit that just happened to get in shot.
His foot bandages are very neat! Do you suppose he went on to try to impress Pina by claiming to have had a ski accident? That's too funny

I'm so glad he's doing well and found love, too! Feeling great Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 cheers
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Teresa wrote:
Thanks for posting about Rudi, Petra!

He's a brave pigeon, and you've done wonders with him! Way To Go
I found it very interesting to read about what you used and how, as my methods are quite different, and it's great to find out as much as possible, so we can use whichever method will be best for a particular bird, or best suited to the meds etc that are available to us.
I always have hydrogen peroxide in the house to staunch bleeding, as well as for disinfection, but it's great to hear that baking soda and flour also work! Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 142829

I thought I could see a bit of nylon thread on his left foot in the photos, but that must have been a loose bit that just happened to get in shot.
His foot bandages are very neat!

Do you suppose he went on to try to impress Pina by claiming to have had a ski accident? That's too funny

I'm so glad he's doing well and found love, too! Feeling great Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 cheers

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Matilda wrote:
Great job! I hate to think of Rudi's fate had you not helped him.

Oh Charis - me too - especially when I see what is happening right now... later more - it is nearly unbelievable....


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I thought I could see a bit of nylon thread on his left foot in the photos, but that must have been a loose bit that just happened to get in shot.
His foot bandages are very neat! Do you suppose he went on to try to impress Pina by claiming to have had a ski accident? That's too funny

I'm so glad he's doing well and found love, too! Feeling great Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 cheers

Teresa - I could not help but
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What an idea!!!! But who knows - Pina is crazy for love for him.....he must be her hero Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 46723


And here is a little video I made a little while ago to show how good he could walk again although in between I had to remove his ring again because his "good" foot was inflammated again and swollen and the ring became a bit narrow so I took it off until the foot looked okay again:



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Petra..........His feet still look sore and swollen.......poor baby, but HE IS WALKING SO WELL!!!

You have done an amazing job with him Way To Go

Thank God you were able to bring him in. He seens like a real sweetheart I love it/them Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 I love it/them


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I love Rudi's video, Petra. Thank you so much for sharing it with us. Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 116281
He is walking incredibly well, given what he went through.

I agree with Louise, you have done an amazing job of caring for him. Universal hug Pigeon angel

He's definitely a lucky, and I know very grateful, little pij. Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488




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Yes - his feet were still swollen and therefore it was amazing how good he could walk on that. But I could see that he still felt pain - sometimes in one foot sometimes in the other depending which one he used too much. He then often pulled it up or he started to limp when he was walking.

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On the photo you can see the new swelling again below the ring - that's why I took it off again. And the other foot - the bad one - you can see that his broken(?) toe - that should be directed backwards - is now bent forward. I think that the left toe on his "good" foot - the one with the ring - was broken as well because there is a strange edge in it and it seems to be stiff - I have never seen him bending it. But this also does not seem to bother him really. Quite amazing.

The next photos are from the end of August when he started to sit on Pina's eggs although he had not even mated with her. What a guy is that? Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 The photos show him on the way to the nest under my working table...

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More than one week later his feet looked like that:

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You still can see that sweelling on the middle toe of his right foot and the somehow twisted left toe of his right foot. His left foot looks good in comparison to how it looked at the beginning - totally like a club foot and bent backwards. Now he can use it again - and even started to climb with it.

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Appreciate the update, Petra. Smile

Do you think there might still be a 'fine' hair entangled that is unable to detect which may be contributing to the continued swelling? Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 106767

He's sure looking good though. Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 142829

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I don't think so because now it is much better and the deep cuts are closed. I rather think that the infection was still in his upper foot (it felt very warm) and was coming down slowly. You could watch how it moved around. I am glad that his toes did not discolour which would have been a sign of gangrene - as it happened with Paulchen on one of his toes - but nevertheless his feet will never look normal again and his toes will remain twisted in one way or another.
But apparently he will be able to live with this.

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Poor guy Very sad His feet look so sore & swollen. I agree with Cindy, maybe a very thin hair is still their undetected making it swell.
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Petra, I haven't gone back and read the entire thread, but do you have him on an antibotic?

Also, do you have any medicam? Not only would that help with his pain, but it is also an antiflamatory and would help with the swelling.

All in all, you have really done a great job with him Way To Go He is greatly improved from when you took him in.

He is a real sweetheart I love it/them Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 I love it/them I'm so glad he and Pina have eachother. Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 395766


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Louise, I did not put him on antibiotics - and unfortunately I do not get metacam here in Germany without prescription. I bathed his feet daily for several weeks, made a compression with arnica pain fluid each day after cleaning his feet, treated him with Rescue drops and holy ashes from Sai Baba. This all helps to desinfect, treat the pain and helps the healing process - and it did.
I cannot get antibiotic cream here in Germany without prescription either and I did not want to give him antibiotics orally because besides his injuries he was a completely healthy pigeon - otherwise he would not have survived this ordeal before. Apparently I caught him in time before any internal problems appeared.

And as I already said - these pictures are from beginning of September - in the meanwhile the swelling has come down completely and his feet do not feel hot any more. The colour is normal and he runs around the whole day!!!
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Petra...I too wonder about hair or thread that is difficult to see still around the foot.
I have a link to a pet pharmacy in the UK where you can order metacam on line. I'll go find it.
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Thanks for the link Charis, but they do not ship to Germany!

There is no thread or hair any more - I have checked it several times with a magnifying glass.
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After you thought that there might be more hair in his feet - I think it was a misperception from the photos - I checked Rudi's feet again yesterday very carefully with a magnifying glass, millimeter for millimeter and I realized that there is nothing in it any more. What you probably thought might be thread were tiny pieces of dead skin which are falling of now, piece by piece.

And I also realized that both toes where I thought might be broken are not broken at all - on one is only a small lump of dried pus left that becomes smaller each day and the other toe which is showing forward instead of backwards is moving. Maybe a nerve has still not recovered and may never but the toe is definitely not broken.

The deep cuts in the upper feet have completely disappeared and the cuts on the toes are covered by new tissue. There is only some dead skin on top of them, looking a bit dark but that will fall off eventually. I am not going to poke into his flesh to remove it.

Here are some better photos from midth of September - in the meanwhile the feet look even better:

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check on page 1 how his feet looked like originally! Those are completely different feet now and I am so glad about it. But it took really a long of time: Rudi is here now for 2 months!

Oh and btw - what I have realized - his wattle is completely white again - at the beginnig it was a brownish grey - maybe a sign for his infection/injuries? Did you realize these changes in your birds?






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That's a remarkable improvement! Way To Go I love it/them

Thanks for the update, Petra, it's great to hear how he improved.
Thinking about the swelling, and the care you took to check that there was no thread left, I was thinking that it may have been the dead skin, that has gradually begun to fall off, that may have been constricting the foot at first.
That type of skin, rather plastic-looking, is just like a callous/corn, and forms to protect the underlying tissue from the damage done by the thread. If at all possible, it should be removed together with the thread, so that it stops constricting the toe and new tissue can grow -- but I know you couldn't do that, because of the onset of bleeding. So the products you've been using to treat him must have softened it bit by bit, and... well, the results speak for themselves!

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Great work Petra ! Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 116281 # 1 Very happy to read about Rudi's improvement. The swelling seems to have gone down a lot and he looks so much better Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488
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That's a remarkable improvement! Way To Go I love it/them

Thanks for the update, Petra, it's great to hear how he improved.
Thinking about the swelling, and the care you took to check that there was no thread left, I was thinking that it may have been the dead skin, that has gradually begun to fall off, that may have been constricting the foot at first.
That type of skin, rather plastic-looking, is just like a callous/corn, and forms to protect the underlying tissue from the damage done by the thread. If at all possible, it should be removed together with the thread, so that it stops constricting the toe and new tissue can grow -- but I know you couldn't do that, because of the onset of bleeding. So the products you've been using to treat him must have softened it bit by bit, and... well, the results speak for themselves!

WELL DONE!

Teresa, thank you dear - you nailed it exactly. I knew I had to remove as much as possible of old crusts, blood, dirt, poop and God knows what else - that's why I bathed his feet each day for several weeks. But after that terrible bleeding I became even more careful and did not want to push this further. With a simple sewing needle (desinfected of course) and a very small scissors I removed what I could - repeatedly - and I am so glad as it is right now. Rudi was an excellent patient, absolutely stoic and totally calm. Apparently he knew exactly what I did and he was not afraid. An amazing pijjie which I love nearly as much as Pina

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You taken such exquisite care of all your rescues, Petra. Pigeon angel Circle of Love

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Thank you Cindy - I just try to do everything that is possible for me and I am getting so much love back from these birds.

Since a couple of days now Rudi can fly free again and he enjoys it so very much. Thank heaven the weather has been very nice this past week so Pina and Rudi were flying together. Oh - did I tell you that Rudi and Pina are mating like crazy in the meanwhile? Sometimes up to 20 times per day - can you believe this? As if they had to catch up the time where they had to wait for each other! Feeling great They are both incredibly in love with each other and I am so happy that Pina finally seems to have found what she had been missing for so long: a real partner Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488

This love already had some result: three days ago Rudi started nest building in Pina's cardboard box on the closet. I was puzzled when I saw him desperately trying to remove a piece of string from one of the clamps which stick to my bookshelf and suddenly I had an enlightenment Idea/thought Of course - he was trying to organize nest material. So I gave him a basket full of larger stray pieces and for several days he worked his head off to bring them "upstairs" into the box. Now they have their first egg that is from Rudi and not from any "replacement" lover and we are all expecting the second soon! Remember - Rudi was even even egg sitting on Pina's old nest when they had not even mated yet! Now he is exchanging nest duty with Pina as if they were "married" for years already.

What really amazes me now all the time is their incredibly affectionate behaviour towards each other. Rudi never pecks at Pina as I have seen it with other cocks. Each time they switch nest sitting they great one another and even exchange a few kisses. And although Rudi is courting other females as soon as he is outside Embarassed he seems to be loving only Pina. Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488

But what amazes me most is that although Pina is "married" now she has not changed her behaviour towards me. She is still playing the feather and fighting game with me, she is still greeting me (Rudi too) with her bows and I bow back to her and lets me fondle her. And when I play with her Rudi becomes jealous but not seriously - That's too funny It is very funny because he starts to growl.

And here are some pics of Rudi's first bath:

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and relaxing afterwards....

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I love this update, Petra. Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 116281 Thank You

Pina and Rudi definitely sound like they are head over heels in love with each other. Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488
And I especially love the fact that Pina still feels the same toward you as she did. Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 789920

As usual, your pictures are Star quality

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Great update Petra. Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 116281 Thrilled

I'm so happy that Rudi and Pina have eachother I love it/them Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 I love it/them

You have done an incredible job with both these birds. Way To Go Pigeon angel


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Thank you Cindy and Louise! Hi there/Bye Hi there/Bye

Here are some more pics:

Rudi and Pina on one of their favourite places
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Pina and Rudi and how they climb into their love nest:
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Having their first bath together
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Pina making herself beautiful
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Drying up together
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When I find the time I will add a couple of videos I made of them both - they are just too cute - I could film and photograph them all the time...


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I agree...they are too cute. Pina is especially very beautiful and she reminds me of my Libby.
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I agree...they are too cute. Pina is especially very beautiful and she reminds me of my Libby.


Me too! They are so very sweet together I love it/them Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488 Rudi's Story - severe string injury - Page 2 983488
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