Another baby....

Sorry about the blurry second photo but I thought it showed how the area around the naval
has started to swell (?) To me the naval doesn't look infected... am I wrong?

Carol - thanks so much for the info you posted, it got me looking even closer.

Charis - thank you also for asking your friend her opinion.

Now any suggestions as to what to do ? Should I start cleaning the naval scab & putting an ointment on it?

I don't want to act without knowing what direction to go in.

Precious is eating & pooping... poops look good too. At least this is a good thing, right? :Yes:

Deb is a wildlife vet, Robin and she treats alot of baby birds, so I hope she will know.

Robin.....I have carefully looked at your newest photos, compared to the first.

In the first picture, the scab appears to be flat on the surface of the skin. In the newest photos the scab appears to be getting larger and is starting to protrude from within a hole, much like how a pus plug would appear to grow. Also the swelling could be a sign of infection and an abcess forming.

I hand raised my Jackie from 2 days old, and her naval scab healed and fell off by itself by the time she was 7/8 days old. It looked nothing like the pictures of your little Precious.

I hope Deb can give you an opinion very soon, however in the meantime, do you think is would be best to err on the side of caution and start Precious on a course of antibotics? I have no idea what type of medication or dosage would be appropriate for a baby at this age, but I'm sure Charis would be able to advise you.

Sending positive healing thoughts and prayers your way.



Louise

Oh Robin, I haven't anything to add.... other than my Well wishes! I am Sending prayers your way that this gets figured out! Bless your heart! Your an angel indeed.

Robin...if I don't hear form Deb, I'll call her early evening. What antibiotics do you have on hand?

Matilda wrote:

Robin...if I don't hear form Deb, I'll call her early evening. What antibiotics do you have on hand?

I have Amoxicillin, Clavamox & Clindamycin, all in tablet form.

I was thinking of starting Precious on Amoxicillin... what do you think?

Thanks for the prayers Louise & Jenn One can never have too many of those! :Yes:

Charis............Glad that you're thinking along the same lines as I. You're our resident expert here. Would a course of antibotics at this age possibly cause any harm?

If you can't get hold of Deb later on, if you could email me Robbin's pictures I could print them out and bring them over to Dr. Hauck in the morning for his opinion.


Louise

Louise...maybe you can email the picture directly to Dr Hauck. On the picture itself, right click and you will see an option for different functions, including saving the picture or emailing the picture. If you can find his email, from his web page, you can email it and have it waiting in the morning. More than one opinion is always good.

EgypSwiftLady wrote:

Matilda wrote:

Robin...if I don't hear form Deb, I'll call her early evening. What antibiotics do you have on hand?

I have Amoxicillin, Clavamox & Clindamycin, all in tablet form.

I was thinking of starting Precious on Amoxicillin... what do you think?

I would go with the clavamox.

Matilda wrote:

EgypSwiftLady wrote:

Matilda wrote:

Robin...if I don't hear form Deb, I'll call her early evening. What antibiotics do you have on hand?

I have Amoxicillin, Clavamox & Clindamycin, all in tablet form.

I was thinking of starting Precious on Amoxicillin... what do you think?

I would go with the clavamox.

Ok. I just fed her so I'll start with her next feeding since her crop is full. Do you think because she/he is so small I should just mix it in with the formula?

OK...........I have the pictures saved into my computer and will be emailing them directly to Dr. Hauck.

Robin....before I send the email, I want to make sure I have the age of Precious correct on the pictures. How old was precious in the first picture? and again how old is she today in your new pictures?

I will be able to call Dr. Hauck at 8:00AM PST. There are three certified Avian Vet's in his office, I am sure they will be more than willing to give us an opinion.

Louise

Jackie\'s Mom wrote:

OK...........I have the pictures saved into my computer and will be emailing them directly to Dr. Hauck.

Robin....before I send the email, I want to make sure I have the age of Precious correct on the pictures. How old was precious in the first picture? and again how old is she today in your new pictures?

I will be able to call Dr. Hauck at 8:00AM PST. There are three certified Avian Vet's in his office, I am sure they will be more than willing to give us an opinion.

Louise

Louise thank you so much for doing this, our avain vet retired last month & I haven't found one that will work with pigeons yet.

The first photo was taken on 2/20 Precious was 3 days old, the second set was taken today-2/21 on her 4th. day.

I will be waiting on pins & needles for any news.

I also moved the tortoise eggs out of the incubator, even though they were in a seperate container & away from Precious... I have also cleaned the incubator with nolvasan just to make sure everything is really clean.

Robin............No problem, especially after all you have done for Birdy.

If you see any change overnight in the size or the shape take another picture early in the morning and I'll include that as well.

Glad Precious will be starting the antibotics, this sure looks like an infection to me. I know how you worry, but there are alot of positive signs here. The fact that the infection appears to be excreating itself from the body through a pus plug. The fact that she is eating well and the poops are good. And the fact that YOU ARE HER MOMMY and that she is getting the best of care. Let's just stay positive here and I'm sure Precious will be fine.



Louise

Jackie\'s Mom wrote:

Robin............No problem, especially after all you have done for Birdy.

If you see any change overnight in the size or the shape take another picture early in the morning and I'll include that as well.

Glad Precious will be starting the antibotics, this sure looks like an infection to me. I know how you worry, but there are alot of positive signs here. The fact that the infection appears to be excreating itself from the body through a pus plug. The fact that she is eating well and the poops are good. And the fact that YOU ARE HER MOMMY and that she is getting the best of care. Let's just stay positive here and I'm sure Precious will be fine.



Louise

You are too kind Louise

I will indeed post any new updates. :Yes:

We are so glad that you decided to let Birdy come live here, I couldn't imagine a day without him.

Thank you again for doing this for Precious.

I haven't got anything new to add, but I just wanted to leave my best wishes for you and for Precious.
I hope you get the advice you need and baby gets well. She's a lucky baby to have you fighting her corner!

Another absolutely beautiful picture, Teresa.

Thank you all for your wonderful words & prayers :Yes: but I feel that Precious has so many Aunties & Uncles, I don't want to leave anyone out , on this forum that care about her.

How could she not grow to be a great pijjie!

Precious is still sleeping but earlier this morning when I fed her there was no change concerning her naval... I think this is a good sign, at least not a bad one.

I'm on pins & needles wondering what information Dr. Burke & Charis' friend will have to say.

I want to Thank you all for your help, it is deeply appreciated.

I have not heard back form Deb. I left her a message but she hasn't called back yet. The only thing I can think of is that she was tired after the retreat and didn't check email or messages. I'll try her in a little bit.

Robin, thanks for the update - so glad she doesn't seem worse. I've been wondering all morning and am on pins and needles, too.
"Aunties and Uncles"... I like that And you're right - we care!!!
Still hoping and praying!

Robin......So glad to hear that Precious is doing well.

It is 7:40AM PST here and I am patiently waiting for 8:00AM and will be able to call Dr. Hauck's office. I had a problem sending the pictures directly to him. His website email does not allow attachments to be sent, but when I phone I'm sure they will give me a email address to attach the pictures. In any case, I have the pictures printed out and will go there personally and see him if need be.

I'll get back to you as soon as I know anything.

Louise

Charis - I can't blame her for sleeping in Precious is doing fine no worse than yesterday
so please no hurry.

Carol I'm glad you like being one of Precious's Aunties, just think of it like a big hug from us to you all.


Louise - I have no words to describe how thankful we are to you for doing this

Team work!

Robin.....Just got off the phone with Dr. Hauck's office.

The office protocall will not allow me to send him pictures and ask for an opinion without them physically seeing the bird. They are just following procedure, I understand...... However, I have a 2:00 appointment for a personal consultation and will be going there with the pictures in hand. He is in surgery all morning and that is the earliest time I could get in.

I know you are on pins and needles and I know have very limited patience when it comes to the welfare of their babies. I'll be going there earlier than scheduled and get back to you as soon as possible.

So glad that there is no change in Precious' condition.....just keep doing what you have been doing and I'm confidnent this will all work out fine.

Louise

Robin.....I want to make sure I have every bit of info to give to Dr. Hauck.

Have you started Precious on the Clavamox??? and if so.....What dosage?...and how are you giving it?

Louise